Journeys of Hope Podcast - Episode Fifteen

In an instant, life can change forever. The story of Alex, a young boy who faced a traumatic accident, is a testament to the power of hope and the unwavering spirit of family. In this post, we explore Alex's journey from crisis to recovery, featuring insights from his parents, Evelys and Andrew Padilla. In this episode of Journeys of Hope, the Padillas share their experiences with host, Rebecca Solomon, highlighting the strength needed to navigate such challenges and the importance of a supportive community during times of crisis.

You can also listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.

Key Takeaways:

1. Embrace hope and resilience during challenging times
2. Seek support from professionals and loved ones
3. Celebrate every small victory in the journey of recovery 

TRANSCRIPT

Rebecca Solomon (00:05)
Hello and welcome to Journeys of Hope, a podcast from Blythedale Children's Hospital inspired by the strength, resilience, and unshakable spirit of medically fragile children. My name is Rebecca Solomon. Let's begin. In 2024, Alex's life changed in an instant. After a devastating accident left him in critical condition, his journey led him to Blythedale Children's Hospital where he began the long road of healing, including relearning how to walk.

In this episode, we hear from Alex's parents, Evelys and Andrew, who never stopped believing in hope. Evelys and Andrew, thank you so much for being with me on this episode.

Andrew Padilla (00:45)
Thank you for having us.

Evelys Padilla (00:46)
Thank you for having us.

Rebecca Solomon (00:48)
So can you take us back to the day of the accident? And I'm sure it's very difficult to remember and to talk about, but if you don't mind sharing with our audience, what happened and what do you remember about those first hours and what were you being told about Alex's condition?

Evelys Padilla (01:04)
I was at work and Andrew was calling me. didn't answer his calls right away and eventually I answered and he told me that Alex was in an accident.

Immediately, I didn't freak out. I stayed calm.

Just because I didn't know what was happening, so I didn't want to assume the worst right away.

I found out where he was the hospital and everything then I really had to say Stay calm because it was a 40 minute drive for me to get there

Right after that, I got myself to the hospital, stay as calm as I could. We were on the phone most of the time and I didn't realize how bad it was until I saw Andrew. Thankfully, you know, everybody that was around me, they kind of didn't tell me how bad it was. I guess it's so I could stay calm. But when I saw Andrew, I knew how bad it was.

Rebecca Solomon (01:58)
Tell us a little bit more about that. What did you see? for? Would it tell us what?

Evelys Padilla (02:02)
What?

Thankfully, I say thankfully now, but yeah, I didn't see anything. I just saw his reaction, Andrew's reaction. By the time that I got there, he was already in the trauma bay and they were already working on him and I couldn't be there. They didn't take me to see him because of how critical he was. But I could feel the commotion. At first I didn't realize it was about him, but later on I realized it was him.

The Chaplain at the hospital.

He was great. He literally saved our lives that day because he stayed with us the whole time. He made sure that we stay calm. He gave us whatever information he could. He was telling us, okay, he's here now. He's in surgery. They're going to move him here. So he, he sort of like kept us informed so that we could stay calm. So that was, was, that was great. At some point I went numb at some point in that, in that whole.

process of that day I went numb.

But I tried to hold it in as much as I could. And then eventually friends and family showed up. So we had to kind of keep everybody in the loop and stay calm and positive. Something told me that he was going to be OK. The fact that he was alive, I felt like he was going to be OK. I didn't know the state, but deep down I felt that he was going to OK.

Andrew Padilla (03:30)
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Yeah, I got the phone call probably a couple minutes after I guess it happened. So I just ran back to my job, dropped off my truck, ran over to hospital as fast as I Thank God I was in Westchester so it wasn't that bad of a drive. And I actually beat the ambulance there so I saw him, they took him off. And then pretty much, like she said, numbness.

I can't remember exactly what was going on because at that point, everything hit you. So you just see people, you don't know what's going on. You're just going through the whole episode of what's going on.

And from there on, mean, you just go through whatever happens at that point because you don't really know what to expect. Nobody plans for this.

Rebecca Solomon (04:15)
And can you share like exactly what did happen? What brought him into the emergency room at, and it was Westchester Medical Center, right? Yes.

Andrew Padilla (04:27)
Yes, m'am Yeah.

Evelys Padilla (04:28)
Yes.

Andrew Padilla (04:29)
Yeah. So he was hit by a truck on his bike and pretty much it from there on. Yeah.

Rebecca Solomon (04:38)
When you learned Alex was in this critical condition, how did you process that as parents in the moment?

Evelys Padilla (04:48)
It was hard to process. Like I said, you kind of go numb.

But like I said, also, I stay positive. I try not to go to a dark place. I try to stay with the information that was given to me and kind of take that as a positive. as long as they said, okay, he's breathing, he's alive, he's with us. They're taking him from this place to this place for x-ray, whatever the case may have been. I just try to stay with that information. Didn't let my mind run with

bad thoughts and I stay as positive as I could within being numb and overwhelmed with everything.

Andrew Padilla (05:31)
your initial reaction kind of is just to get there. You know, don't feel anything, you just going through it. And then as, you know, time progresses, then you start, on my part at least, know, I started thinking about everything. But, you know, that's why one thing I did is always want to see what they were doing, what was happening, just so could like understand from my own person of how what is going on. Because, you know, somebody could tell you something, but...

As a parent, you want to hear everything. You want to see it, you know? But yeah, I think that's about it, really. don't really... There's a lot of things that from that day are kind of still blacked out that I don't remember too well in detail.

Rebecca Solomon (06:07)
And

I know you both held on to that hope from the very beginning. mean, Evelys, you already said that you knew he was going to survive. There was something inside of you that told you that. Was there a turning point or a moment when you first allowed yourself to believe he might recover?

Andrew Padilla (06:27)
Yeah, I guess I'll answer that one. When we left ICU.

Rebecca Solomon (06:32)
Yeah, that's, that makes sense.

Evelys Padilla (06:33)
Yeah,

Andrew Padilla (06:36)
Yeah, that was a big one. Getting out of ICU is number one.

Evelys Padilla (06:39)
three months there were really, really, you intense. But for me, I think from the moment that I saw him that night,

I didn't see him like I said before, till he was already in the ICU room, which, you know, was like six, seven hours later. And I saw him and he still looked like Alex.

He still had his summer glow. He just looked full life despite all the machines and everything that he had around him. So I just saw him full life. And from there on, I knew he was going to be okay. But like Andrew said, went through a lot of... That first day was horrendous, but we had other days that were just as bad.

on into you know August and September where things you know kind of went down it was definitely a rollercoaster ride but like Andrew says when we got to Blythedale that's when things were like okay we could sort of relax now a little bit yeah

Rebecca Solomon (07:40)
he was, yeah, that that road

to healing was going to begin at Blythedale.

Andrew Padilla (07:46)
Yeah.

Evelys Padilla (07:46)
now.

Rebecca Solomon (07:47)
How did you come to choose Blythedale for his comprehensive rehabilitation? And tell us a little bit about your hopes and fears when he was admitted.

Andrew Padilla (07:56)
Well, I know where we spoke about it. know one of reasons, the main reasons that we chose it was because it was a school. And that's one of reasons we didn't... He was still in a place where he could still function like that way and he could still do it. So there was no reason why he couldn't do school. So he wanted to continue with that. That was big for us.

I guess at least the initial part of the, you know, selecting it was doing the tour. You know, nobody wants to go to a tour for rehab.

But it felt warm and it felt comfortable being in there. So we thought it was a good place to bring them for the next step of our chapter.

Evelys Padilla (08:33)
Yeah, and also the commute. It was really close to home. You know, we could go back and forth. Other places were a little further out and like Andrew said, didn't have the option for school and we wanted him to finish eighth grade with his classmates. We didn't want him to fall behind. So that was that was a big reason.

Rebecca Solomon (08:54)
Yeah, and for our listeners who are unaware, Blythedale Children's Hospital, have this, we have a school on our campus and it allows the children, whether they're inpatient or in our day hospital program, which is an outpatient program, they're able to attend school and get the credits they need.

while also receiving the medical care as well. So it's really a win-win situation for a child in grade school to get those credits and continue to thrive. And I'm glad Alex had that opportunity and I'm glad you recognize the importance of that as well.

Andrew Padilla (09:23)
Definitely.

Definitely.

Rebecca Solomon (09:33)
What was it like seeing your child begin that inpatient rehabilitation after such a traumatic event?

Evelys Padilla (09:40)
kept hearing great things about you guys and the work that you do with kids. And the nurses and Child Life spoke a lot to Alex because he was really anxious. He was not looking forward to going there. So we heard really great things about the work that you guys do. So that was definitely a factor.

and I was like, okay, we're turning the page. And I think the next thing was when he met Jen, that first time that they met, they connected right away. Like, Andrew and I just looked at each other and was like, yeah, he's gonna be, like, he's gonna do everything that she wants him to do. And he's gonna.

Rebecca Solomon (10:22)
Well,

tell our people listening, who is Jen?

Evelys Padilla (10:27)
Jen was his physical therapist.

so she as soon as you know, she walked in the room and she started moving him around, you know, there was no objection for Alex, whatever fear he might have had the day before, it just kind of disappeared. He just started, you know, sitting up and listening and doing everything that, you know, she was suggesting to do. And that sort of played out throughout, you know, the six months that we were there.

Rebecca Solomon (10:53)
Do you guys remember the first small sign of progress, whether it was with Jen or even when you were alone in the room with him or any first small sign of progress, maybe that movement or a word or a response that gave you some additional hope?

Andrew Padilla (11:07)
Obviously, in the beginning, any little thing is a big step towards it, but I think there was one night in particular, because every Friday, was always like, know, games that he did really well on Fridays. And there was a Friday night that I remember sending her a video of him in the hallway. And we were doing our little laps around the pod just to get like the exercise and stuff. And he actually went from...

holding the hammer and the walker to just letting it go and just taking a couple steps without it. So I recorded, well, I didn't record it. I had to tell him to do it again to try to record it like a send to him And I think that was like, you know, very reassuring when I saw that, that, you know, things were going to the right direction.

Evelys Padilla (11:49)
Yeah, and then for me it was pretty much, know, like we knew early on, even while we were at Westchester, that he was going to be able to walk. It was just that it was going to take a lot and it was going to be painful. So I think the minute that we got there, he started moving and tolerating things. And like Andrew said, every Friday, you know, they started Monday with a plan. By the time we got to Friday, it was like he was, you know.

passing everything with flying colors. So it was, every Friday was kind of like, okay, today's our Friday, what are we doing today? Every Friday was reassuring that he was gonna be okay, that things were gonna eventually play out.

Andrew Padilla (12:25)
Mm-hmm.

Rebecca Solomon (12:32)
It's almost like a competition, right? And something tells me Alex is a warrior, a champion, right? So like he wanted, he didn't want to let himself down. He didn't want anyone down. He wanted by Friday to do what he was put out to do from the beginning of the week.

Evelys Padilla (12:48)
Exactly, yes.

Andrew Padilla (12:49)
Yeah, definitely.

Rebecca Solomon (12:52)
And we really take walking for granted, right? Our movement, what we do day to day. It's something you hope for when you have a baby that they're gonna take those first steps. When you have a teenage son who is in this accident and then needs to learn how to walk again and regain that movement, that's an enormous task.

What did that process look like from your perspective as his mother and father watching it unfold?

Evelys Padilla (13:25)
So for me, like you just said, it was like a baby. So everything was like starting all over again.

every Friday he did something that was like, and we celebrated because it was like, you know, he went from not being able to tolerate standing to tolerating a minute, then the next following week, five minutes and so on and so forth. And then once we did that, it was like, okay, you can stand without holding anything. And he was like literally like step by step, like a baby. And I say that also bringing him home when we came

home it was like again bringing a baby home because we had to start from from the beginning with him and trying to figure things out at home so every transition it was like having a newborn baby.

Rebecca Solomon (14:14)
Yeah, wow. What about for you, Andrew?

Andrew Padilla (14:18)
I don't know. mean, I think she answered it pretty much. I think I agree with it to that extent. I think every little thing he did was just, you I say expected because, you know, you've got to get the body to remember what to do. But it was it was fun, you know, being there to see it again, you know, because you get to see how much hard work it takes, how much pain you're in. But yeah, it was was pretty it was pretty cool. I liked it. It was a good interest.

Rebecca Solomon (14:47)
That's awesome.

yeah, like even with all of the good and with the success and you see him taking those baby steps, no pun intended, but like you see him taking the steps and the progress towards where he needed to be. But the reality is I'm sure there was still frustrations and there were still setbacks that naturally come with rehabilitation. Tell us a little bit about those frustrations, but then also what surprised you about

his resilience and just pushing forward.

Evelys Padilla (15:18)
For me, everything surprised me, how brave he was. It was a really painful process and he never complained. He never said, no, I'm not going to do this today. He always pushed forward.

Every day we would you know stay positive and even when he felt like okay I'm tired or whatever we'll give him a little time and then like okay you could try again and Like I said Jen was a big part of this, you know, we were with him at every therapy Andrew and myself and We will push him and sometimes when we will be in too much we will stay back and Jen will take over But he never gave up

He never gave up.

Rebecca Solomon (16:06)
were there moments when you had to be strong for him and others when he was strong for you?

Andrew Padilla (16:14)
think, I wouldn't say he had to be strong for us. I think as a parent, you have to be strong for them because a lot of times they kind of look at you. if you go in there like with bad energy, he'll pick up on it. So you have to kind of be open to a lot of things and you know, just be a lot, have a lot of positivity with you at all times. You feel like as a parent, you can't have your guard down. You have to keep showing it because you don't want him to fall back. then, you know, it's tough, but.

It's part of process, I guess.

Evelys Padilla (16:45)
Yeah, and Alex really fed off of our energy since we were there and we never really left him. So if he saw something was off, he would, you know, automatically feel off. So we always try to stay positive and push him as much as we can. And like I said, when we were being a little too much, then Jen took over and she was, you know, we had that communication that she could say, OK, guys, I got it. No, give him some time. We'll get through this. So.

Rebecca Solomon (17:11)
now.

Evelys Padilla (17:15)
between you know it was like a team.

Rebecca Solomon (17:18)
Yeah, and do you

think maybe it was the team, Jen, that helped both of you get through those difficult times? Because you needed that too, right? You could only be so strong for so long in front of your son. I mean, I'm sure there were times when you couldn't even be there for each other, right? Like you needed to see that, okay, there's a team here at Blythedale They've got Alex's back. Like, it's okay for us to...

Maybe not in front of Alex, but on your own time in private to be human and, you know, feel the pain.

Andrew Padilla (17:54)
No.

Evelys Padilla (17:55)
Yeah, one thing that we did while we were there, and a lot of people say it was rare, is that we were able to make good friends. Until this day, we still talk. So we supported each other in that way.

think every day after everybody was done with therapy, will all get together in the hallway and let the kids hang out and the parents will hang out and we will talk about all those things and kind of feel supported in that way. We also have our family and friends that never left our side as well.

Rebecca Solomon (18:32)
support is so important and it's so special that Blythedale, under the circumstances, allows you to meet other families who are in similar situations as you. You're not alone. That's important.

Andrew Padilla (18:48)
Yeah, no, definitely.

Rebecca Solomon (18:52)
So we know Alex transitioned from the inpatient care to our day hospital program, coming from the hospital during the day for school and continued medical oversight. And then he returned home with you at night. So what did that shift represent for your family emotionally? Did it feel like a step toward normalcy, independence, or maybe some uncertainty?

Andrew Padilla (19:14)
think it'll be a little bit everything. think overall you're happy because again, it's another milestone you gain at home. Granted, it's good that you're having like that, kind of like the divide. you you're not fully in medical, but you're half in medical in and out. So it allows you to like start becoming back to normalcy. I think at first it's like, you know, do you have enough supplies? Do know what you need? Is everything gonna be ready for the house? You know.

Rebecca Solomon (19:16)
Mm-hmm.

Andrew Padilla (19:43)
It's kind of chaotic in the beginning, but I think overall it's a good thing to have because you need that. I don't know how my wife feels about it,

Evelys Padilla (19:55)
Yeah, it was definitely the

The that you provided that transition and that we didn't come home and it's like then the next step is that he needs to go to his regular school and we had that option that he could stay there and slowly transition into regular school that was an amazing thing that you guys provide. Because otherwise I could say that when we left in April he wasn't ready to go back to his regular school. So the fact that he could finish school, eighth grade there and have that

Andrew Padilla (20:21)
Yeah.

Evelys Padilla (20:27)
sense of normalcy of going home

I think mentally and spiritually was like Andrew said a huge milestone and it also gave us you know hope that things were going to you know in the right direction that we were going to go back to normal and that hopefully in September he was going to go back to school and things will be you know as normal as possible.

Andrew Padilla (20:48)
And it's pretty crazy too because I remember we were talking about it that we said, you know, everybody makes a plan, all the doctors, all the PTs, they'd say, okay, know, Alex is ready to go home. And then you're sitting there like, sure, I don't think he's ready yet. Like, yeah, you start questioning it, but yeah, they do a good job. You know, they planned it, they make sure everything's ready. They make you feel like you're, you have everything, you're prepared for it. So yeah, it's a good thing to have it like that.

Rebecca Solomon (21:15)
That's really cool. And how did Alex take it, like coming back home and I guess you have, he has a sister, correct? Yeah, so that was all, you know, a different, another new chapter.

Andrew Padilla (21:24)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Evelys Padilla (21:24)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly, yeah, Sofia, she was a big part of this whole process as well. And you know, the way she handled everything. I thought she wanted to stay up all night and you guys were going to hire her. Because she became part of, you know, the, I guess, child life group, you know, playing with other kids and so on and so forth. But I think Alex was was happy to be home. You know, it was nine months of not being home.

think he was sort of ready also to get out of there and have some sense of, you know, normalcy.

Rebecca Solomon (22:08)
not for nothing, while he was in school at the day hospital, he thrived. Alex, won an award at graduation. Like, he just proved anyone and everyone that he was an ace child. Like, he was really on the road to recovery in every sense of the word. You must be so proud.

Evelys Padilla (22:29)
Yes,

we really are yes.

Andrew Padilla (22:32)
Yeah, definitely.

Rebecca Solomon (22:34)
You should be. He's a great kid.

And we know he was discharged from day hospital. That was in 2025. And what emotions did that milestone bring up given everything he's been through?

Evelys Padilla (22:46)
Well, one thing we were really happy, right? We were really proud of him. What he accomplished, not just academically, but like personally, it's something that sometimes I put myself in his position, I don't think I could do it. think, you know, what he did was beyond what I could have ever expected in any, you know, in any way. So.

proud, grateful, you know, the opportunity and the opportunity of being there and what you guys do for these kids is just amazing. So really, really, really grateful and proud of him.

Andrew Padilla (23:25)
You're getting to the point where now you feel you don't need the medical part to be around you as much to continue your school. So that's a really big thing. So now, you know, saying that, you know, you're at a point where you can go back to your school. You can go back, you know, obviously he'll have his, you know, help here and there throughout the school. But.

The fact that you can go from what you were at and now you're back in high school, that's really big. That's really big.

Rebecca Solomon (23:52)
huge. Yeah. And I think when we saw you, it was back in, I want to say the spring or summer of 25 at one of our events at one of our golf outings. And you guys spoke there. And thank you, by the way, for being such an important family in our Blythedale community and sharing your story on all different levels. We appreciate that. But, Evelys, I think you said to me something about, you know, it became it is your job now, like

caring for him and being, I don't want to quote you because I don't remember word for word what you said, but something about that this has become your most important job or something along those lines, right?

Evelys Padilla (24:35)
Yeah, the way things turned out, was like I had to kind of focus on him. So I had to leave everything behind. So he became my job.

not only did he become my job, I mean, he's my kid, but he just became, you know, everything to us, to Andrew and I and even Sophia, you know, so we dropped everything for him. And I wouldn't change it because I think a lot of the progress that he made and he is the way he is now because of how we stay together, you know, the three of us, the four of us. So I wouldn't change.

Coco the dog too. Yes, I wouldn't change it but yeah he did become my number one priority. My goal was for him to get back to know baseline as much as we could and I knew that with our support and being there for him and our love that he was gonna get as close as he could to that.

Rebecca Solomon (25:15)
Don't forget Coco. Of course not.

We know you have a great kid, but I must say Alex is lucky to have you both as his parents as well, because maybe he wouldn't be where he is today if it wasn't for you both as well. So kudos. And looking back, what do you think made the biggest difference in his recovery, either medically or emotionally or even spiritually?

Andrew Padilla (25:53)
Thank you.

Evelys Padilla (25:53)
Thank you.

Andrew Padilla (26:04)
think all three. Because at least with the spiritual part, had every week we had our deacon come, so he did like a mass for us in the room. But even when we're in Westchester Medical, know, all the doctors, the nurses, everybody we spoke to, they always gave him like a positive thing of faith just for him to think of. Mentally, he's a strong kid. He's just what he is. He doesn't like to fail.

And I think, yeah, and then I guess us too. We're a part of that somehow. We're in there. Take too much credit.

Evelys Padilla (26:41)
Yeah, and I think Alex did find a spiritual, you

I guess his spiritual side because he did, you know, he prayed a lot. He played with us without us. When he was scared, he always prays. So instead of like crying or being upset, he always prays. And something that we also encourage, always tell him when you know, when you don't feel well or you, you know, you're in doubt, just pray. And, you know, everybody that was around us will also kind of tell him the same thing when it came to some of the nurses and the doctors that would go see him. They would tell him the same thing. And then on the side,

of his bed he always had like uplifting quotes and affirmations that he could read when he you know didn't feel too well.

Rebecca Solomon (27:27)
Wow, thanks for sharing that. you know, when you see Alex now walking and thriving today, what goes through your heart as a parent?

Evelys Padilla (27:38)
being super proud. I'm beyond proud and grateful.

that we got to where we are and that he fought so hard to, to, you know, gain that. Because he really had to work so hard to, to be where he is today.

And sometimes when we see him now, it's like he's doing so well and walking so well that it was like, something ever happen? Kind of thing. It's, like truly like a miracle. Yeah, it's truly like a miracle. So I'm just, you know,

Rebecca Solomon (28:02)
Right? Didn't skip the...

Evelys Padilla (28:12)
surprised also at how brave he really was through the whole process and I mean ultimately just grateful and proud of him.

Andrew Padilla (28:24)
like, unless you're in it, you don't really know what's going on. And people really wouldn't understand how hard he had to work. So seeing him like, you know, coming from school, carrying his book bag, you know, when we came home, had the chair and then he's like, I don't want to roll around the chair. I want to practice walking so that he's just walk with the walker. And then he's doing this. He's doing the cane. So it's very, it's...

Very positive to see. But yeah, he has a lot of strength behind him. A lot.

Rebecca Solomon (28:55)
why he is where he is right now, right? That's wonderful. Well, I have one more question I'd like to ask each of you. How would you describe the meaning of hope?

Evelys Padilla (28:58)
Yeah.

Andrew Padilla (29:09)
How would you describe the meaning of hope?

Rebecca Solomon (29:11)
Yeah.

Evelys Padilla (29:12)
So I think just staying positive. For For me, it's just staying positive, not thinking about the negative. And just taking every small victory.

and running with it. If he was able to accomplish this today, we'll see what he'll do next week. I never had an expectation of what next week was going to look like. I just took it one step at a time. So staying with that positivity and just hope that things were just going to keep going like that.

Andrew Padilla (29:47)
hope would be, yeah, just staying positive. Things are bad, but they can always be worse. I mean, take what you got, enjoy it. That's pretty much, I guess I'll describe that right now. Yeah.

Rebecca Solomon (30:02)
Enjoy the ride, right? Count your blessings. Count what you have.

That's it. Wow.

Evelys Padilla (30:06)
Exactly. Exactly.

Andrew Padilla (30:09)
I'll tell

you this, I'm one that likes roller coasters. I'm good with roller coasters now. I'll stay flat lined now.

Rebecca Solomon (30:14)
Yeah,

Evelys Padilla (30:14)
You

Rebecca Solomon (30:15)
right. You

had your uphill and downhill ups and downs for a while there. Yeah, you're good. Well, this was an excellent conversation and thank you so much for opening up and sharing a little bit more about Alex's journey with us. And I just can't wait to see where he's going to be and where he'll continue to go as he grows. think the story is just beginning with him. I mean, he's awesome, right?

Andrew Padilla (30:18)
We're good.

Yeah, there's a whole future ahead. We'll see what happens.

Evelys Padilla (30:43)
I agree, yes.

Rebecca Solomon (30:44)
So you'll have to keep us posted. Yes.

Yeah. you, yes, keep us posted along the ride. And thank you again so much, Evelys and Andrew. We appreciate it. And we hope you enjoyed listening to this episode of Journeys of Hope. If you have ideas for future topics, we'd love to hear from you. You can email us at podcast at blythedale.org. And don't forget to subscribe to our podcast and like, and follow us on social media. Thanks again so much, and we will see you next time.